dimecres, 7 de maig de 2008

En obres: Feliu has guanyat!

Hola a tothom,

he tingut el bloc una mica desatés perquè m'he volgut prendre uns dies de reflexió, és així com m'he mogut per diversos blocs i com van fer els deixebles de Mahoma amb les seves ensenyances, he recopilat totes les aportacions que ha fet el Feliu en la blocesfera tarragonina, els he agrupat sota el títol "Mesura, per a què?" i com si de l'Evangeli es tractés homenatjant a Machado en "Proverbis i boutades". Me'ls he llegit i sí, amics, he vist la llum, la forma de vida desacomplexadament insultant del Feliu m'ha convençut, i tot i que el Nadal i el nadalisme mai van pretendre fundar un partit propi, ja en tenien prou utilitzant les sigles de CiU, he decidit deixar momentàniament el meu bloc:

A part de les aportacions que vull fer a la ideologia del wahabisme nadalista, els motius són els següents:

1. No tinc temps per actualitzar el bloc i abans de què sembli un bloc abandonat i es vulgui usucapí, prefereixo posar un "en obres" i plantar la bandera d'una màfia de seguretat de les obres de Valàquia.

2. No domino massa bé el tema de donar-li color al bloc i prefereixo esperar i poder fer una presentació més dignes, és a dir que el colorit ajudi a dissimular la manca d'idees originals.

Prometo tornar a obrir-lo al públic tant aviat com el deute deixa't pel pàrquing Jaume I m'ho permeti. Com me va dir un il·lustre convergent un dia parlant del tema del pàrquing i que l'ajuntament estaria segles endeutats: "No haguessiu fet promeses si sabieu que hi havia aquests deutes a les empreses municipals i a l'Ajuntamnet". Una gran mostra d'ideologia que encara no he pogut respondre. Quan hagi trobat una resposta ingeniosa a aquesta reflexió (ja sabeu la meva predilecció per la ironia) prometo tornar. Però això no serà més aviat del juliol.

Continuaré llegint i deixant comentaris, però de moment aquest espai es mereix, per dignitat, per Catalunya i per la Moreneta un:


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feliu ha dit...

Gerard, diguem, un nomès un, d'insult cap a tú. Algun comentari meu ha estat a l'altura del que m0han fet mí, però a tú a part dirte xiquet (perqué ho ets) i per ser avui d'ERC una mica, com diria jo, que t'has cregut que el teu partit es nomès del "purisme" catalàn, i clar debant el panorama del proper congres d'ERC, t'has posat en obres.
Una premonició, en Gerard acabarà a la Casa Gran del Catalanisme.

feliu ha dit...

Em deixava el tema Parking Jaume I, la direcció tècnica i económica (no la política) ha estat en mans de la empresa, emb el seu Consell al capdavant i com a rsponsable juridic, el Secretari Delegat.

Fins poc abans de les eleccions, tots el membres del Consell (TOTS EL PARTIS) van estar aprovant les factures, els contractes, els crédits etc.) aquets son els responsables económics, junt amb el Gerent Sr. Trasobores, que diuen es el màxim responsable de la gestió. PERO EL DESPATXEN DE L'UTE DEL PARKING I EL DEIXENT A L'EMT, amb un sueldàs que ti cagues.
Amic Gerard, els d'ERC aneu venuts i perduts per l'Ajuntament (menys la Rosell que s'ho pasa bomba)

Anònim ha dit...

Feliu,

tinc la sensació que per a ser un simple ciutadà estàs molt informat del dia a dia de l'ajuntament i del que s'hi cou, alguna vegada he arribat a sospitar que eres el Joan Miquel Nadal. Una cosa és segura, estàs més informat del dia a dia del que ho està una persona normal. No me crec el que vas dir que eres militant d'ERC els 80, no quadra.

Al bloc del Pitu Tarrassa, al del salvi i al del Caballero hi ha comentaris que te passes tres pobles.

Si tant correcte ets com és que tanta gent te censura?

Una premonició Feliu, no t'acabaran acceptant a cap bloc.

Gerard

Anònim ha dit...

Per cert, si tan venuts anem per l'Ajuntament posa exemples a veure si podem fer-hi alguna cosa

Anònim ha dit...

Sobre el congrés del meu partit, tranquil, no passa res, dins el meu partit no és cap secret a qui he donat suport, no m'he amagat mai de les meves filies ni de quin és el discurs que m'agrada més, tú, com que no ets del partit, no n'has de fer res, ni ningú fora de a qui jo no vulgui dir-li-ho, sabia que hi hauria algún "alegre" que relacionaria aparcar el bloc amb el congrés, no puc evitar que malpensis, també ho haguessis pogut relacionar amb la desastrosa temporada del Barça.

Jo no defenso cap purisme i ta'sseguro que dins el partit sóc bastant més heterodox del que t'imagines. Però com que el que te pugusi imaginar m'és igual, no aprofundiré més.

Potser sí que acabo algun dia a la Casa Gran, no diguis mai d'aquesta aigua no en beuré, però si qualsevol dia deixo de militar a ERC, segurament me prendré uns anys de reflexió, les caigudes del cavall i les conversions fanàtiques deixem-les als apòstols, els sants i els maoistes que estan al PP ara.

No diguis que no insultes quan tots i cadascun dels teus comentaris destil·len una mala llet enorme, fas mal a CiU amb tot això, que ho sàpigues. Mai t'he vist en cap cometari dir que potser l'altre pot estar en una part de veritat, ets matxacón i visceral i el més trist és que utilitzes l'anonimat epr llançar acusacions sobre altres persones moltes d'elles sense fonament i sense saber quina és la teva identitat, jugant un joc brut. No e´s étic llançar segons quines acusacions aprofitant-te que l'altra persona és pública i tú anòmin i demanar igual tracte.

Mai has dit que, tot i no compartir el que l'altre diu, ho respectes, i és per tot això que sento pena per tú, no tant sols al personatge creat com a Feliu, que segurament és una exageració del teu caràcter, si no també pena per la persona que l'ha creat, el teu personatge és impresentable, però tú com a creador seu portes una gran part d'ell.

Dius que ERC anem perduts a l'Ajuntament, posa exemples. E lque dius de la Rosa Rossell no és just, co msempre torens a llançar acusacions sense fonament, crec que s'està realitzant una bona feina, i això no només ho dic jo, parlant amb molts funcionaris de la Casa me diuen que l'abient de treball ha millorat molt, que la tensió dels últims tens s'ha dispersat i qque, en general, es treballa més a gust. Des de l'Area de Patrimoni s'està fent una bona feina i a l'area de Promoció econòmica es treballa força bé, hem creat l'Area de política lingüística, cosa que amb tots els anys de govern suposadament nacionalista mai s'havia fet. El pròxim més farà un any de la formació del nou govern, encara en queden tres més. Quan hi hagin les pròximes eleccions els resultats parlaran i veurem la gent comparteix quina opinió comparteix.


Gerard

Joan Miquel Carrillo ha dit...

Gerard, ja era fotut que escriguessis tan poc, però saber que ja no escriuràs més ja és la llet. Com a mínim, no deixis de comentar pels blocs...

Ànims!!!

feliu ha dit...

Gerard, que no hi donat mai la raò?, dons m'has llegit poc, revia els blogs d'en Quim, Capità, Oriol, quasi sempre coincidim. Els del Sr. Carrillo, li doncs ña raó moltes vegades, en altres defenso al Nadal, perqué la seua alcaldia ha estat la millor de Tarragona; Al Pitu, desprès d'alguns "encontres" estic em ell en moltes coses; En del Salvi, bé millor no ens podem tractar, amb tú, jo mai cap insult, mala llet amb el ERC i el PSC, pot-ser sí, crec que en moltes coses se les mereixen, estan malmenten la feina de 23 anys d'en Pujol, i l'estatut s'en l'han carregat i si vols et fiag una llista dels desproposits del PSOE, PSC i ERC. Els del CiU t'els deixo per a tú.
Que faig mal a CiU, no crec, tot i que a mi el que m'importa es Catalunya, per altre banda no soc militan CiU, apanyats anirien els partits a les eleccions si nomès els votesin al seus militans (com acabarà pasant a ERC), sense milita un pot ser més crític i votar amb la mà lliure.

Que tinc molte informació, quin mal hi veus, quan dic alguna cosa, sé perqué la dic i altres s'empreyen pel mateix. Que a vegades semblo el Nadal, gràcies haguès volgut ser jo tan bon alcalde com ell, tot i que el parking no l'hagués fet allí i el POUM haguès actuat d'altre forma, però sempre tenin en compte que l'interés general ha de prevaldre sobre el particular. Que pares per obres, bé penso que una reflexió dins a ERC, l'hau de fer i tu et molt jove per combregar amb rodes i creura en mesies i manelics, torna a llegir a H. Barrera, R. Campalans, Pi i Margall, López Tena etc. ...retorna, retorna amb tú aixeca el front, mira al colors dels nuvols ...
Salud i República.

jo ha dit...

me recuerda aquello de : ¡VENCISTE GALILEO !.

Quim Amorós Le-Roux ha dit...

Gerard, una mica oblidat si que tenies al teu bloc. ja començava a esta cansat d'entrar i veure allò de la propina.
De tota manera, per molt que diguis es una mica sospitós que no tornis fins el juliol, encara que diguis que rés té a veure el congrés d'ERC. si tu ho dius, doncs m'ho creuré, però coincidiràs amb mi que es una mica sospitós!!!. No recordo per qui apostes tu a ERC. crec que era pel sector del Renyer, esquerra independentista??
enfì no sé el que passarà a ERC, però espero per la pròpia subsistència del partit, que escolteu a les bases. i sobre tot a la gent!!!!. les eleccions no es guanyen amb els vots dels militants, sinó de la gent, i de la mateixa manera que un dia et voten, l'endemà et poden retirar el seu suport. saps perfectament que ERC es va fer gran a costa de CIU, i ara heu perdut més de la meitat del vostre suport, i segueix en descens, i sí, no ens ha tornat a nosaltres com pensàvem, però tot arribarà Gerard.
Al final no ha passat el que volíeu, que era que CIU desaparegués, una mica més i qui desapareix sou vosaltres.
Vinga, una llàstima que de moment tanquis el bloc, perquè m'agradaria seguir debatent amb tu.
una abraçada, malgrat totes les nostres discrepàncies, em caus de p. mare i esperava les teves intervencions, iròniques i un tant cabrones també.!!!

El Capità Tarragona ha dit...

Gerard,

espero que tornis aviat!!!

De veritat.

Una abraçada noi!

feliu ha dit...

Gerard,"... torna, torna, en tú, que el plor et torni, fecund alegre i viu, mira la vida que tens en torn, aixeca el front, sonriu al set colors que hi han als nuvols...no em sens, no sents aquella veu atronadora que et parla entre parills..."

Gerard, una abraçada republicana-confederal.

Blas Jesús Sánchez González ha dit...

La vida és qüestió de prioritats.

Anònim ha dit...

Feliu,

El que és un insult és com escrius el català. Et creus que això no és un insult. Respecte una mica la llengua de Pompeu Fabra, sisplau! Ja sé que els dels col·legis religiosos, a part de fer-vos resar i fotre-us mà, no ensenyaven català. Però, Feliu, home, vés a una escola d'adults! Potser en José Montilla (sí, sí, el teu odiat José Montilla, "el xarnegu", que deveu dir entre valtros) et pot trobar un centre que t'ensenyin a escriure en català, ja que ets incapàs de fer servir els correctors de català que hi han per Internet.

El Mossad català

feliu ha dit...

Mira, anónim jueu, escric com puc, això es que us perd als puristes del català, no enganxeu perqué a les mínima us puseu a enfrotes del qui parlen o escriuen incorrectament el català ( inven fel Fabra). Però mp'entens oí ?. Ja voldria jo que tots els espanyols escriguessin i parlessin el català com jo.
Jo al Montilla no li dic (ni dirè) mai "xarnegu", espanyolista, sí. Es trist que els catalans ens menyspreuem per la forma (o mala) de escriure, així no farem res, sou com els "sabras" d'Israel, que es creuen més pur perqué parlen hebreu i han nascut allà, cuan els que van i han lluitat son els altres.

No tinc ni el diners ni el temps per anar a aprendre el català del Pompeu, segurament al revès que tú que el debias apendre al col·legit i pagats per gent com jo, que varm rebre bofetades i pals nomès per parlar en català.

Per cert, el Mosad, no era una organització secreta sionista ?.

feliu ha dit...

Mosad, un oblit, als colegis religiosos, es fotien menys mà que en els teu, ara el dia que et trovi potser si que et fotré mà, pero al clatell.

Ala fes una palla.. mental.

Anònim ha dit...

Amenaces, Feliu?

Quina llàstima que hagi quedat gravat. Això és una prova davant un tribunal. Ai, Feliu, feliuet, que no coneixes aquell refrany català que diu "si no vols pols, no vagis a l'era".

El Mossad sionista català

feliu ha dit...

Mosadet, tu que saps tant el "Pompeu" no saps el que vol dir "potser". Mira jo tal i com es comporten els jueus,no em vanaria de ser un d'ells i menys d'una de les seves organitzacions sanguinarias.

Mira ni havia un que per dir-li f.p. a un tio li van posar 25 pts de multa, i ell davant del jutja paga i és treu un billet de 50 i li diu, ben alt "Fill de la G. P.", tot dien, au no cal em torneu el canvi.

Adeu "sabra català".

Anònim ha dit...

Quina finesa, Feliu!!!

M'he quedat... Quins modals, es nota que tractes amb la "reialesa" de Tarragona: els Nadal, els Vallvè, els Ricomà-Castellarnau...

El Mossad català sempre

Anònim ha dit...

Feliuen,

Ja feia bé de germanitzar el teu nom. Ets un puto nazi. Mira. Em sembla bé que parlis malament del Mossad, però no toleraré aquestes mostres d'antisemitisme.
A tots us ensenyo aquest enllaç: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfGLeNQ4MmA&feature=related
Simplement, impresionant. Que gran el poble d'Israel! Diré breument, Feliuen, les raons perquè simpatitzo amb la causa sionista (tot i que com ets una nazi, Feliu) no en faràs cas):
1r.) Perquè és l'únic lloc on hi ha pogut haver comunisme en llibertat (els famosos kibutzz).
2n.) Un país on hi ha una igualtat radical entre homes i dones. Dos exemples només: abans que la Margaret Thacher a la Gran Bretanya, Israel ja va tindre una primera ministra, Golda Meir. L'altre exemple és que allí tan homes com dones estan obligats a fer el servei militar obligatori.
3r.) Una vegada Israel va ser independent una de les primeres mesures que van prendre els jueus va ser obligar a tots els mitjans de comunicació del país fer-ho en hebreu (us imagineu aquesta mesura a Catalunya? Que diria el Coll i Gilabert a "La Plumilla" del "Diari").
4t.) A Israel són plenament legals els partits àrabs i tenen aquests representació parlamentària a la Knesset (Quan serà legal de nou Batasuna a l'estat espanyol?).
5è.) Les dues llengües oficials són l'hebreu (i atenció) i l'àrab.
6è.) És l'única democràcia de la zona.
7è.) Llevat d'uns quants grupuscles d'extrema dreta, tots els partits israelians (des dels laboristes al dretà Likud) estan a favor d'un estat palestí.

El Mossad (sempre) sionista català

Anònim ha dit...

Feliu,

el mossad és el servei secret israelià.

Mossad català, què te sembla que Israel robi aigua del Jordà dels altres països?


Gerard

feliu ha dit...

No em molestare gens en replicar al Mossad, crec que s'ha retretat sol, mira et perdona lo de "puto" per que ets un sionista radical. Nomès cal veura el que esta fent Israel amb el poble Palestí.

Gerard, no tan sols aigua pren, pren territori i la dignitat que mereixent les persones, no deixa pasar ajuda humanitaria, ni llum, ni medicaments, i al damunt els tanca amb un mur de la "infàmia".
Sembla extrany d'un poble que ha patit el poble jueu que ara tracti així als palestins.
No voldria un Mosad català, no vull cap mena de violencia en el meu pais, i els que en vulguin, bajin a la platje a fotres mastagots fins que es cansin.

La casa de Pinel ha dit...

gerard mala decision la tuya, personas como tu hacen falta en la blogsfera y te e decir que tu razon, la de feliu, no es la acertada.
desde el loco del pinel te animo ha seguir luchando por tus creencias y disfrutando de tu blog.

Anònim ha dit...

Hola, Feliu,

Començaré dient-te una frase típica del Homer Simpson: "Me aburro".
Ho sento. Amb tu, xec, m'avorreixo. Ets un ansiolític. Produeixes son.
Quins arguments més agafats pels pèls del poble jueu! Primer de tot, xato, la majoria de jueus viuen fora d'Israel. Quina culpa tenen del mur i d'altres coses que "denuncies" la Barbara Streisand, el Paul Newman o Steven Spilberg. Com els nazis, generalitzes i com els nazis fas pena.
Contestant-te a tu, Gerard, el problema de fons és que a Israel se'l jutja sempre em paràmetres ordinaris. Apliquem els mateixos esquemes mentals que apliquem a Bèlgica, a Dinamarca o a l'Uruguai. Aquí rau l'error. La política israelina només es pot arribar a entendre (no dic comprendre) quan s'aplica la lògica dels fets extraordinaris. Com molt bé diu la Pilar Rahola, Israel és l'únic país que no pot perdre absolutament cap batalla, que cada dia ha de soportar amenaces d'extermini nuclear reals, que porcentualment té una xifra de morts per atemptats elevadíssima, etc. Això sense parlar del trauma psicològic que suposa per als jueus l'eliminació física en ple segle XX de 6.000.000 de persones!
Faré una comparació una mica poca-solta però que és gràfica de la mentalitat d'aquella gent. És com aquell nen lleig, tímit, esprimatxat i solitari que va patir "booling" continu a l'escola i a l'institut. Quan té 16 anys es posa a anar a un gimnàs cada dia i, a més, creix i s'acaba convertint en un "matón" (una mica paranoic) que es rebota a la mínima, tingui raó o no.
Mireu. Espanya amb una situació menys excepcional com a Israel, ha pres mesures que cap altre país "normal" no aplicaria: il·legalització d'un partit que representa el 15 % de la població basca, un tribunal especial (l'Audiència Nacional), règim diferent als presos etarres (incomunicació, detencions de fins a 5 dies abans de ser posats a disposició judicial, etc).
Per tant, Gerard, quines garanties té Israel que els estats àrabs veïns li respectaran els seus drets sobre el llac de Galilea i el Jordà? Té garanties que els seus enemics no li enverinaran les aigües?

El Mossad català (el jueu ja porta 60 anys lluitant, nosaltres hi arribarem!)

Anònim ha dit...

Anónim, dons per avorrir-te, bé que em fas un llarg escrit.

Ja veig que ets un sionista convençut, jo semre he separat, Israel, dels Hebreus, i dels jueus i d'aquets es que viuen fora i dels de dins i de tots el que son sionistas dels que no ho son.

L'estat d'Israel creat per taapar la vergonya d'Europa pel 6 milions de jueus sacrificts als camps, aquest Estat es va imposar de forma artificial i ja va neixa amb guerra. El que están fent els governs d'Israel, desde el punt e vista humanitari i social no está bé, vegis sino les diferents resolucions dela ONU, tot i el "lobby" jueu.

Bé no vull extendrem amb la questió arabe-israelian, tot plegat un punt de "no entendres".

Sento que no toleris les observacions meves, te les hauras d'empesar. Au continua Mosadet

Anònim ha dit...

Mossad,

Quan Israel va néixer es van masacrar palestins innocents. Els jueus no van anar a una terra buida, sinó que hi havia població autòctona que va ser obligada a marxar. Prèviament hi havia hagut atemptats jueus contra els britànics (Recordes l'Hotel Rei David ? i l'Irgum i tants altres grupúsculs terroristes jueus... )i guerra bruta entre palestins i jueus entre 1936 i 1939. La constitució de l'estat jueu es va fer a base de terroritzar població i de crear el problema dels refugiats. Per sort, cosa que dignifica la societat israelí, alguns historiadors jueus comencen ara a parlar-ne i a treure-ho a la llum, malgrat oposicions i negacions irades. Però l'altra banda, els àrabs, no s'ha portat millor: ha jugat al terrorisme més sanguinari i s'ha comportat amb un despreci total per la vida humana i els problemes de la seva pròpia gent, utilitzant els refugiats com hostatges.
Potser la cosa se salvarà quan comenci algú, palestí o jueu, a creure's que no es tant bo com es pensa.

feliu ha dit...

Disculpeu l'anonim que acaba despedin-se d'en Mosadet soc jo, el feliu. Al que el Mosad li diu puto nazi. Però no haviem quedat que de insults res, o es que aixó no compte quan es tracta de mi.

El genocidi nazi fa avergonyi a tot europa, uns per la bestialitat i la deshumanització que varen mostrar cap el jueus i els altres per la pasivitat, tant els alitas com els polacs católics, inclus fa poc veig veura una peli on tractava d'un sacerdot que intercedeix davant el Papa Pius XII i aquest s'ha arronsa d'espatlles.
La creació de l'Estat d'Israel, va volguer ser la forma de fer-se perdonar el pecat, desprès uns (israelians) i altres (palestins) han estat victimes del joc de les potencies, EEUU i mon arab, amb el petroli pel mig.
Si bé en principi es podria "compendra" l'actitud d'Israel, defensant el territori que Anglaterra li va donar, les altres guerres, i accions contra el poble palestí, no tene cap mena de justificació, només alimenta l'odi i la intransigencia. Fins i tot en els conflictes armats, cal la humanitat, fins i tot les besties, quan es donen per vençudes posen el coll i l'altre no el mosegue.

Mossad català, repensa, els Estats Units no estan al teu costat.

Anònim ha dit...

Hola, Feliu,

Pel que fa als hostatges, sovint s'oblida una dada rellevant i és el fet que la població jueva va ser expulsada de Jerusalem el 1949 després de la Guerra de la Independència per part dels àrabs. De fet, no hi va poder tornar fins a l'espectacular i admirable victòria de la Guerra dels Sis Dies de 1967.
També són refugiats els jueus que van haver de marxar, depressa-corrents, el 1948, arran la proclamació d'independència d'Israel, del nord d'Àfrica, del Iemen o l'Iraq perquè si no se'ls literalment massacrava.

El Mossad català

Anònim ha dit...

Gerard i Feliu,

Poseu a Google: Éxodo judío de países árabes.

Una matèria de la qual TV1, TV2, TV3, Canal 33, Cuatro i la Sexta mai parlaran.

El Mossad català

Anònim ha dit...

També podem parlar dels jueus que no veuen en Isarel la seva pàtria i que el consideren un sacrilegi. Ho sento molt, però aquí ningú és innocent i no voler-ho reconéixer esperant que et donin la raó no fa sinó perllongar el conflicte inútilment.

Dit d'una altra manera: l'holocaust no justifica la política agressiva d'Israel i el terrorisme d'estat d'Israel no justifica el terrorisme àrab. És una dialèctica perversa, que haurà de tallar-se un dia o altra. I cadascú haurà d'assimilar el que ha fet d terrible a l'altre.

Anònim ha dit...

Mossad català,

Pots parlar també que hi havia un terrorisme jueu, amb totes les lletres, abans de 1948. Mataven àrabs i anglesos. Això també és un fet i pel que es veu tu tampoc no en vols saber res.

Gerard Castells ha dit...

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La majoria de jueus actuals no són ni semites, si no eslaus i germànics. Són akhenazis i els akhenazis mai van estar a Palestina.

Al segle I d.C eren moltes les tribus que habitaven Palestina i els jueus van estar dividits en dos regnes molts anys.

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El sionisme és bàsicament una ideologia laica.

Els àrabs tampoc han sabut estar a l'alçada, els dos principals grupuscles palestins utilitzen nens per adoctrinar-los i fer atemptats.

Crec que als palestins els han faltat líders que sabessin negociar a temps. Mossad, dius que Israel no es pot permetre perdre cap batalla, però els palestins porten moltd anys perden i segurament si haguessin acceptat la pau del 1948 ara estarien molt millor, cap any que passa ells són més dèbils i Israel més fort, però cap líder palestí s'atrebeix a dir-h' per no ser tractat de tou i traidor, però cada vegada són més dèbils en les negociacions i no veuen que no poden véncer a un rival com Israel. Crec que en aquest cas demostren poc sentit d'estat i no veuen que estan convertint a tota una generació en psicòpates.

Mossad, Israel és un estat, potser molt democràtic cap a dins i molt poc cap a fora, ara es compleixen 60 anys de la seva creació i el primer ministre ha dit que volen crear un gran israel jueu (La vanguardia). No és només una qüestió de supervivència si no la voluntat de recuperar la terra promesa.

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Penso, que quan les influencies arabs i norteamericanes deixint d'intervenir, el problema entre palestins i israleians podria trovar una solució satisfactoria per tots dos.

Com crec que Catalunya i Espanya la trovaran per poguer conviure prop un d'altre.

En quan als drets,n'hi ha de moltes clases, pero avui no es pot amparar en el "dret de conquesta".

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I quan parlarem d'una punyetera vegada dels "pieds noirs" argelins sense complexos? ¿Amb qui dret poden anar a emigrar els argelins musulmans a França quan van expulsar aquells del seu propi país?

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No es tracta de posar en qüestió l'existència de l'estat d'Israel. És aigua passada i no pot tirar-se enrrera. Nop té sentit. El problema és que Israel ha nascut del patiment dels àrabs, provocat pels jueus, i això sembla que no ho vulgis entendre, Mossad. Mentre no se solucioni això i no es trobi una sortida "airosa i digna" als palestins, l'enfrontament continuarà. Els jueus no sou millors que els colons sudafricans o els nord-americans, sense dubte

Perquè Israel no compleix les resolucions de l'ONU, de la comunitat internacional ? Per què continua la colonització de territori palestí ?

Ja sé que els palestins tampoc són exemple de res. S'han apuntat sempre a la pitjor solució, però és que no han tingut masses opcions.

No barregis els pieds-noirs. França va ocupar colonialment Algèria el 1830 i es va comportar, com totes les potències colonials, de forma despreciable fins que va haver de marxar.

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Primer de tot, no sóc jueu. Sóc català i prou. Crec que, amb els seus grans defectes i errors, hem d'aprendre moltíssim de la causa sionista. És més, crec que el nacionalisme català ha de jugar el paper que en el seu moment va jugar el sionisme.
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Oblides una dada fonamental: la primera resolució violada de l'ONU (que sí, en canvi, va complir Israel) va ser la de partició de Palestina. Els àrabs no tenen cap dret a exigir que Israel compleixi les resolucions de l'ONU mentre no el reconeguin com a estat.
Oblides també una altra dada. Com és que els drusos, els cristians i samaritans (que porten segles vivint a Palestina) prefereixen ser ciutadans israelians? Pot tenir a veure que, tret de Turquia, no hi ha cap país musulmà democràtic i que respecti la llibertat de creences. Com és que els libanesos cristians (la meitat de la població) són proisraelians? Pot tenir a veure que Hezbollah i Hamas no són precisament els campions de la Llibertat?
Deixa'm acabar amb una frase de Nietzsche (suposo que al ser antisemita, com tu, t'agradarà): "En la bondat hi ha tanta impertinència que té molt de maldat."
I, per cert, per descomptat que té molts més atenuants la conducta d'Israel que la de França, Espanya o Anglaterra! Aquests darrers es movien pel poder i el diner. Els jueus només per pura supervivència.

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